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Monday, October 29. 2007
Maka-Maka: Google everywhere?
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Well, if they really open the APIs on that it should be possible to (re)mix it into a noserub-compatible format.
That was my first thought, too. But I guess that this also would be the beginning of storing login data into NoseRub.
I don't think that Google will provide all that information just through a public RSS-Feed.
But again: let's wait and see
I don't think that Google will provide all that information just through a public RSS-Feed.
But again: let's wait and see
@Dirk
your quote:
"But I guess that this also would be the beginning of storing login data into NoseRub."
I assume access to other applications would be granted using a token (tied to both the user and the application), not using username/pswd
The oauth way, or the Google version of it...
your quote:
"But I guess that this also would be the beginning of storing login data into NoseRub."
I assume access to other applications would be granted using a token (tied to both the user and the application), not using username/pswd
The oauth way, or the Google version of it...
I think it could lead to something like that:
http://blog.kindalab.com/2007/10/26/information-spreading-through-social-networks/
http://blog.kindalab.com/2007/10/26/information-spreading-through-social-networks/
From what I understand:
Part of the story is an on ongoing struggle between Facebook, Windows Live and Google to position themselves as THE "social graph hoster/owner". Facebook wants you to build apps within their site, Windows Live already has an api http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463989.aspx to give access to social contact info to outside applications, and Google will have one soon, as well as Linkedin.
I don't think any company will ever succeed in this, just like Passport was unable to impose itself as the universal identity hoster...
The other part I understand from the story seems more exciting to me:
"One way it will do that from the start is by creating two-way APIs so that any app created for Google can be taken to other Websites. ([...] the apps themselves will be portable). And data from other social sites will be able to be imported into Google's social apps as well."
Not sure what this all means: it might be as modest as Google-hosted widgets that show and let you choose your Google contacts, basically the equivalent of the already existing Windows Live contacts control: http://dev.live.com/contactscontrol/v0.2/default.aspx
But "any app created for Google can be taken to other Websites" might also mean that Google is going to open license this api and open source a/some implementations. That way, other social networks can give access to their "social graph" as well. If you create an application that is using Google contacts, you might as well point it to Twitter, and it will work with Twitter contacts (possibly Oauth will be part of the solution). So far, a standardised api for accessing your contacts from outside a social network has been lacking, and Google might give the first shot here.
Just a possible scenario: an travel application like Dopplr might ask you "who of your friends can see your travel schedule".
Then you might choose one or more of the social networks you're part of, and be presented with an interface with which you select some or more of your Gmail contacts and/or your Twitter friends and/or your msn/live.com buddies.
You would need to give Dopplr access to those lists, but for Dopplr, the implementation of accessing these different contact lists would be identical.
Anyone who would be able to prove to Dopplr (using OpenID or another remote authentication mechanism) that he/she is that particular Gmail contact or that Twitterer, would be able to access your travel schedule.
How about Noserub in this scenario? Noserub could implement this api too... Meaning that http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz could login to Dopplr (using OpenID) and select http://id.thylmann.net/othylmann from his contacts list at http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz/contacts/. The person able to proove that he is http://id.thylmann.net/othylmann (that would probably be Oliver Thylmann) would then be able to see Dirks private Travel schedule.
As far as I can see, Noserub could act like any other social network here, with the one difference that its identities are hosted on different servers.
Part of the story is an on ongoing struggle between Facebook, Windows Live and Google to position themselves as THE "social graph hoster/owner". Facebook wants you to build apps within their site, Windows Live already has an api http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463989.aspx to give access to social contact info to outside applications, and Google will have one soon, as well as Linkedin.
I don't think any company will ever succeed in this, just like Passport was unable to impose itself as the universal identity hoster...
The other part I understand from the story seems more exciting to me:
"One way it will do that from the start is by creating two-way APIs so that any app created for Google can be taken to other Websites. ([...] the apps themselves will be portable). And data from other social sites will be able to be imported into Google's social apps as well."
Not sure what this all means: it might be as modest as Google-hosted widgets that show and let you choose your Google contacts, basically the equivalent of the already existing Windows Live contacts control: http://dev.live.com/contactscontrol/v0.2/default.aspx
But "any app created for Google can be taken to other Websites" might also mean that Google is going to open license this api and open source a/some implementations. That way, other social networks can give access to their "social graph" as well. If you create an application that is using Google contacts, you might as well point it to Twitter, and it will work with Twitter contacts (possibly Oauth will be part of the solution). So far, a standardised api for accessing your contacts from outside a social network has been lacking, and Google might give the first shot here.
Just a possible scenario: an travel application like Dopplr might ask you "who of your friends can see your travel schedule".
Then you might choose one or more of the social networks you're part of, and be presented with an interface with which you select some or more of your Gmail contacts and/or your Twitter friends and/or your msn/live.com buddies.
You would need to give Dopplr access to those lists, but for Dopplr, the implementation of accessing these different contact lists would be identical.
Anyone who would be able to prove to Dopplr (using OpenID or another remote authentication mechanism) that he/she is that particular Gmail contact or that Twitterer, would be able to access your travel schedule.
How about Noserub in this scenario? Noserub could implement this api too... Meaning that http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz could login to Dopplr (using OpenID) and select http://id.thylmann.net/othylmann from his contacts list at http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz/contacts/. The person able to proove that he is http://id.thylmann.net/othylmann (that would probably be Oliver Thylmann) would then be able to see Dirks private Travel schedule.
As far as I can see, Noserub could act like any other social network here, with the one difference that its identities are hosted on different servers.
OK... it is the "more exciting" story...
See the NYT article and Techcrunch:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/technology/31google.html
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/30/details-revealed-google-opensocial-to-be-common-apis-for-building-social-apps/
"a set of common APIs that application developers can use to create applications that work on any social networks (called “hosts”) that choose to participate"
Meaning a noserub host could implement the api as well and expose profile, social graph and activity data.
Still unclear to me what privacy (and thus authentication/authorization) options there will be.
See the NYT article and Techcrunch:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/technology/31google.html
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/30/details-revealed-google-opensocial-to-be-common-apis-for-building-social-apps/
"a set of common APIs that application developers can use to create applications that work on any social networks (called “hosts”) that choose to participate"
Meaning a noserub host could implement the api as well and expose profile, social graph and activity data.
Still unclear to me what privacy (and thus authentication/authorization) options there will be.
I'm really curious, too.
There are so many open questions, that look forward the new few days to see wht Google offers.
And I guess NoseRub has to support it, because no one gets passed google nowadays...
There are so many open questions, that look forward the new few days to see wht Google offers.
And I guess NoseRub has to support it, because no one gets passed google nowadays...
Hmmm, after reading the excellent writeup by Marc Andreessen (via twitter.com/noserub), I'm a_lot_less enthousiastic...
It's not about social network interoperability at all... its about more closed systems allowing to import functionality in a uniform way to enrich their own platform. The users, however, stay locked within their own (even stickier) silo....
It's not about social network interoperability at all... its about more closed systems allowing to import functionality in a uniform way to enrich their own platform. The users, however, stay locked within their own (even stickier) silo....
I habe the same concerns: just the ability for existing networks to exchange data. But no real interoperability.
But wait and see what will be published tomorrow. I still have to make my presentation for BarCamp in Berlin, so they better are on time
But wait and see what will be published tomorrow. I still have to make my presentation for BarCamp in Berlin, so they better are on time
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